Carver plaque and WWI War Memorial rescued from Albert Schools
Final Update April 2021: project finished
Following installation of a brass plaque, paid for by the United Reformed Church, the project to rescue the two memorials found under the stairs at the Albert Schools is now finally complete. It has been very rewarding to be able to tackle this matter during lock-down and get it completed in such a hands-on way. The brass plaque tells the story of the memorials' origins and how they came to be sited in their new home and why it is fitting. It also thanks everyone who has helped along the way:
The brass plaque above the memorials in the United Reformed Church.
Update March 2021:
Thanks to "Lest We Forget" Hollingworth and author Tony Catchpole we can now tell the story of all eight men named on the Union Rooms Mission Church war memorial rescued from the Albert Schools building in 2019. This separate page has been created to bring their their stories together and now includes Marmaduke Cooper, the only man not named on Marple's main War Memorial.
Update December 2020:
Carver Plaque now also installed in the United Reformed Church on Hibbert Lane
Very pleased to finally get the Carver Plaque installed in the URC Church a couple of days before the 2020 Christmas Day Service. It's great that both plaques are now on display in their new permanent home. It is certainly a fitting location as this church was also built by Thomas Carver and he was a founder and Deacon there too, as well as the Union Rooms where the plaques originate from.
The cost of materials to refurbish the plaques has come to £120, which has been funded from the Marple Website's advertising income. After Christmas, in early 2021, it is proposed to create a smaller plaque to go with them that will explain the story of how they got there.
Update November 2020:
War Memorial Plaque now installed in the United Reformed Church on Hibbert Lane
Unfortunately there was a serious set-back with the refurbishment of the War Memorial plaque when trying to remove one of the studs from the backing slab. The slate slab, which was already badly damaged with a large chunk missing, fractured across the full width and was suddenly beyond repair. Getting a replacement made in slate or granite was investigated but it was incredibly expensive. Coupled with that was the issue of weight. When fully assembled the plaque could barely be lifted by two people. So in the end it was decided to make a much lighter replica backing slab from MDF.
The very helpful Tony Grimes of Benring Ltd - supplier of epoxy resins to HM the Queen no less - provided a free supply of his Bencon 40 resin that was used to bond the two sections of the plaque to the new backing slab. It worked very well and using the lighter MDF made the whole assembly much easier to lift, even though it remains incredibly heavy.
B&Q mixed some paint that was a very close match to the colour of the slate slab on the Carver plaque after refurbishment and cleaning.
During a visit to the church with a couple of full size mock-ups of the two plaques it was determined exactly where they should go and how they would be fixed and it was agreed with the Church Warden that due to the weight of the War Memorial it would be best if it rested on the large skirting board in the church. Once this was decided brackets were added to keep it in place and it was successfully installed on 19 November 2020.
War Memorial plaque installed in URC Church on Hibbert Lane (inset: how it was found).
The smaller Carver plaque, already fully restored, is to be installed on the left hand side below the window but raised up so that the tops of the two plaques are at the same level. The best way to do this now needs to be worked out. This plaque, which is a substantial weight too, has a recessed hole in the back for hanging and hopefully it will be possible to utilise that safely and securely.
Following on from that it is planned to create a smaller plaque to mount between and above them that explains their story and how they came to be in their new location.
For a reminder of the condition the War Memorial plaque was in when found under the stairs at the Albert Schools before demolition, read on...
Update April 2020:
With the BBC's new series of the Repair Shop launched earier in March, the application for help from them was obviously unsuccesful. However, thanks to the Covid19 restrictions in force at present an ideal opportunity has arisen to crack-on with the DIY restoration of the plaques.
Currently progress is being shared in this thread in the Community Forum, and below is a recent video showing the successful restoration of the lettering on the Carver Plaque.
Hopefully by the time government restrictions are lifted both plaques could be ready for installation in the URC on Hibbert Lane and hopefully I'll be able to find some expert help on that.
Update December 2019:
It has been established that the War Memorial Plaque originally came from the Union Rooms (now the Regent Cinema). We know this as it is listed on a hand-written schedule of items transferred to the school in 1931. Maybe the other plaque was with it too but it isn't mentioned on the note.
A new location for the plaques to be permanently displayed has been agreed with the Marple United Reformed Church on Hibbert Lane, which of course also has strong links to the Carver family.
Attempts to find a stone mason prepared to quote for refurbishing the plaques has so far failed miserably, so an application has been submitted to the Repair Shop. Wouldn't that be exciting! If we don't hear back by the time the weather improves next spring then we'll have to resort to DIY!
A little background to this story
In November 2018 Marple Area Committee recommended the refusal of a planning application to demolish the old Albert Schools buildings on Church Lane in order to build new apartments and retail premises. The matter then went to the council's Highways and Planning Committee for a final decision. At this meeting councillors representing other areas of Stockport disregarded the Marple Committee's recommendation and approved the application.
The Albert Schools building as it is today, by David Burridge
Local residents were very disappointed and a petition was started against this. Lots of people also vented their anger on social media at the impending loss of the building, but to no avail. Unfortunately the building is not listed - Marple Civic Society did nominate the building for local listing some time ago but Albert Schools was the only heritage nomination refused by SMBC for local listing. Over a hundred other heritage buildings were locally listed, giving them extra protection under planning law.
So the community has to get used to the idea of this historic building being demolished. It is probably going to happen pretty soon as E & E Workwear, the company that has used the building for their business since the late 1950s, will close their doors for the last time in March 2019.
A request for help from the Marple Website
With just a few weeks to go before E & E Workwear was due to close, local man Nigel Millard happened to vist with his daughter to buy some overalls. After a casual enquiry about any memorabilia being available Nigel was concerned to learn that there was a broken WWI memorial plaque in a cupboard under the stairs that had been there for as long as anyone could remember. Even staff who have worked there for 20 years or more had no idea how long it had been under the stairs or how it got there. Nigel tried getting in touch with the National Memorial Arboretum but they said they couldn't help. Recognising that most of the names on the plaque were on the timeline in Memorial Park, his partner Stephanie Shaw got in touch with me to ask if I could help to save it.
Photos taken by Nigel during his visit
Of course saving local artifacts is something the Marple Website has gained a reputation for over the years and I was delighted to make a quick visit to take a peek under the stairs at Albert Schools.
The owners of E & E Workwear confirmed that they were happy for the memorial plaque to be taken into care and I arranged to pick it up with my son a couple of days later. Much to our surprise, when we removed the largest section of the memorial from under the stairs, we discovered that there was another marble plaque beneath it, this one in memory of Thomas Carver and his wife Hannah.
The first plaque comes out of the cupboard
We can only speculate when and why the plaques were literally thown into the understairs cupboard. It could be that it was done when E & E Workwear first took over the premises. Maybe until then they were hanging in the school building and were in the way of progress as far as its new use was concerned. Another theory developing is that they may have originally been in the Union Rooms Mission Church and were removed when it became a cinema in 1931 - the same year that the school closed. Wherever they came from, it seems a heartless act to chuck them in an understair cupboard but at least they weren't thrown away and remained there waiting to be rescued all these years later.
The unexpected Carver plaque beneath the memorial
The first task after removing the two plaques was to trial-fit the broken peices back together and give them a bit of a clean-up. This was done with just soapy water, a sponge and a soft brush to ensure no damage was done. A toothbrush was used to clean the carved section showing 1914 - 1918. In the longer term the cost and merits of a professional restoration will be investigated.
The Carver plaque after initial cleaning
What happens next?
Now that a location has been agreed for the plaques to be displayed in the URC Church on Hibbert Lane we just need to have them restored before we can fit them. So far we have been unable to find a local stone mason willing to come and take a look so that they can give us a quote. We are now waiting to see if the Repair Shop is interested in helping us with the restoration. Failing that, we will tackle this with volunteers when the weather gets better in the spring of 2019.
About the War Memorial Plaque
Apart from Marmaduke Cooper, all seven of the other men are named on the War Memorial in the park and their cards are featured on the timeline. There are several links between the seven, they all lived very close to the Hollins Mill, at least four of them and possibly more worked at the mill before they enlisted, and they are almost certainly all linked to the Union Rooms Mission Church (now the regent Cinema) that was built by Thomas Carver.
War Memorial plaque after initial cleaning
Marmaduke's link to Marple is less clear. He died on 25 March 1918 and the Commonwealth War Graves web site records him as being the son of Joseph and Elizabeth Cooper, of 17, Boston St., Hyde, Cheshire; and husband of Lizzie Cooper, of 5, King St., Hollingworth, Manchester. Research by Marple Local History Society using census records shows that in 1911 Marmaduke and Lizzie were living in Macclesfield but their daughter Olive, then aged 2, was born in Marple in January 1909. Their elder daughter Doris, aged 4, was recorded as being born in Hollingworth. So the couple must have lived here for a period before and after Olive's birth and presumably attended the Union Rooms Mission Church during that time. Marmaduke worked as an “assistant superintendent - insurance” at the time of the 1911 census, so he would have collected premiums door to door.
About the Carver Memorial Plaque
As most people will know, the Carver family owned and ran the Hollins Mill, which was located where the Asda store is today. They had a huge influence on the area and left a significant legacy of buildings and institutions, including the Union Rooms (now the Regent Cinema) the Carver Theatre, the Albert Schools, the Congregational Church on Hibbert Lane (now the United Reformed Church), Marple Bands and of course Hollins House and Marple Memorial Park.
The photos above of Thomas - presented to Mr Carver on 16th August 1901 by members of their Church and Congregation to commemorate his 70th birthday - and of Hannah - presented to Mrs Carver on 5th December 1903 by members of their Church and Congregation to commemorate 25 years of the Union Rooms - are now in the Carver Theatre.
There is a display panel at the entrance to the park created by Friends of Memorial Park and this gives a summary of the family's history: Read more about the display here.
Thomas Carver and his twin John first came to Marple in 1859 when they purchased Hollins Mill from the family of Charles Walmsley. Thomas moved his family into Hollins House using the canal arm that ran into the mill yard to transport their possessions. The sunken bridge parapet at the park entrance is one of the last traces of the arm, which was filled in during the late 1950s.
John built a new home for his family called Woodville Hall. This was later purchased by Frank Barlow, who married Thomas’s eldest daughter Mary, and it became home to the Barlow family.
The Carvers were Congregationalists and raised money to build a new chapel on Hibbert Lane that was opened in 1865 (now the United Reformed Church). In 1868 they established the Albert School on Church Lane. Good attendance apparently ensured half-time employment at Hollins Mill!
During the cotton famine of the early 1860s Thomas’s wife Hannah ran a soup kitchen for the people of Marple and became very involved in the lives of the mill workers and their families. This led to her setting up the Sick Nursing Society. Thomas made an impact on Marple in many ways. He tried to improve the ‘lot’ of his workers by organising lectures after work and providing a library. He formed the Hollins Mill Brass Band and often played drums with them.
In 1878 Thomas built the Union Rooms, now the cinema just a short distance from the park. This included a coffee tavern, a library and reading rooms and a room for religious services. ‘Free and Easy’ evenings were a regular feature and the Carver family often provided musical entertainment.
In 1882 Thomas formed the Union Room Mission Army, which had its own band until 1899 when it apparently blotted its copybook by visiting a local hostelry and some members had to be taken home in wheelbarrows!
Frank Barlow had business interests in tea plantations in Ceylon. He also became involved in the life of the village and was president of Marple Band when it was formed in 1900. Around the same time Thomas and his son Oswald purchased Springfield House on Church Lane and installed a gymnasium so that the young men in the area could exercise. It is better known today as the Carver Theatre.
Thomas and Hannah celebrated their Golden Wedding Anniversary in 1904 and they are pictured below on the steps of Hollins House with their family. Soon after the couple moved to Southport. Hannah died in 1908 and Thomas passed away three years later.
The First World War took the lives of four of the Carver grandchildren. Two sons of Oswald and Kate and one son of Ernest. Frank and Mary Barlow also lost their only son. A dreadful toll for one family and perhaps just as well that Thomas and Hannah did not live long enough to grieve their loss.
After the war ended the Carver and Barlow families gifted the land for this park in memory of their four sons and the other 137 men of Marple who fell during the Great War 1914 - 1918. It was dedicated as a ‘War Memorial Park’ on 22 July 1922 with a ceremonial pageant attended by more than 10,000 people.
About the Albert Schools
You can read a detailed history of the Albert Schools on Marple Local History Society's web site.
There are photos of children and teachers at the school on the Marple Website's Virtual History Tour.
Thank you to Nigel Millard and Stephanie Shaw for bringing the War Memorial plaque to my attention, to Amos Lowe and the owners of E& E Workwear for their cooperation and to Mike Whittaker for helping out with transport and lifting of the plaques. Mark Whittaker - the Marple Website.